Q: There seems to be
a sea-change in the situation in AP following the defeat of the TDP. How has
such a drastic change in government policy towards the Naxalites, particularly
the CPI(ML)[People’s War] come about? What reasons do you attribute to this
change?
A: Yes. Of course,
there is a drastic change in government policy towards our Party and the ongoing
people’s war at least for the present. The present Congress government in the
state has stated that it regards the Naxalite movement from a socio-
politico-economic standpoint rather than from the usual Law & Order approach. It
had initiated some measures that reflect the changed approach. The reason for
this sudden change in the ruling class policy is not difficult to understand if
we analyse the situation in the state since the last three decades, especially
during the fascist regime of Chandrababu Naidu’s TDP.
For over three
decades, 35 years to be precise, the ruling classes in AP represented by the
Congress and TDP, had pursued a consistent policy of suppressing the Naxalites
with brute force. Over four thousand people had been killed during this period,
three-quarters of them after the formation of the CPI(ML)[PW] in April 1980. But
the Party and the revolutionary movement had continued to grow braving the
massive repression and suppression campaigns of the successive governments. It
had spread from a small area in Karimnagar and Adilabad districts in AP to about
15 states in the country. It had become clear that the movement cannot be
suppressed by brute force alone. A section of the ruling classes had thus
advocated a policy of Talks with the Naxalites for some time past with the
objective of ensuring relative peace at times. It is also a part and parcel of
the imperialist strategy of Low Intensity Conflict (LIC) which stresses on a
multi-pronged strategy towards revolutionary movements and national liberation
wars—a strategy that includes cease-fire and Talks which are aimed at blunting
the edge of armed struggle and corrupting the movement through concessions and
reforms.
The most important
reason for the perceptible change in policy of the new government is the
pressure exerted by various sections of the people, the democratic organizations
and intellectuals, and even the opposition parties since the past few years on
the Chandrababu Naidu’s government. The people’s aspiration for peace and
democracy and their desire for an end to the police raj was completely
neglected by the Naidu government. The latter had even insulted the people by
coming up with the agenda of suppression of the Naxalites during the recent
elections. Naidu had called upon the people to give a referendum on his policy
towards the Naxalites and as it turned out, the people gave a clear verdict on
the anti-people policies of the TDP and rejected its stand on the Naxal issue.
The hatred of the people towards the TDP’s fascist rule was so deep that 28 of
the 34 ministers who had contested the elections, including several stalwarts,
were defeated.
The opposition
parties, understanding the mood and aspiration of the masses, came out with a
host of promises such as: setting up a judicial enquiry into all the fake
encounter killings during the nine-year-rule of the TDP; an end to all fake
encounters, combing operations, arrests and harassment of people; and to
initiate Talks by first creating a congenial atmosphere in the state as soon as
they assume power. They had also promised to lift the ban on the CPI(ML)[PW].
It is against this
backdrop that the Congress party that had come to power changed the earlier
policy of outright suppression and initiated some measures for holding Talks
with the Naxalites.
Q: How do you see the
impact of the recent elections on the present situation?
A: The April 2004
elections in AP is an example of the unarmed protest of the masses against the
policies of imperialist globalization, liberalization and privatization;
communal and pro-Hindutva policies of the BJP and the TDP; and the fascist white
terror unleashed by the TDP government on the people at large. The elections
provided an outlet for venting out the pent-up anger and hatred of the people
against the elitist, lop-sided, pro-imperialist development model pursued by the
TDP government headed by Chandrababu Naidu for nine long years. Though
parliamentary elections do not change the nature of class rule or bring any
basic change in the lives of the masses at large, though they only replace one
set of bandits with another, they do reflect the mood of the masses at a
particular point of time. In this sense, election 2004 can be seen as an
indicator of the degree of disillusionment of the masses towards the so-called
development model that is said to transform the country into an economic
superpower and the state of AP into swarnandhra pradesh.
It is this factor
that has served as the backdrop for the change in the policies of the YSR
government in AP as reflected in its relative emphasis on rural development,
peace Talks with the Naxalites and an accommodative attitude towards various
deprived sections of the society. To understand the current peace talks in AP,
it is essential to go deeper into the most crucial factor that had prompted the
new rulers to wield the olive branch.
Chandrababu Naidu’s
TDP had openly declared a war against the Naxalites ever since it had come to
power in 1995. The vast tracts of the state had been turned into virtual
concentration camps, all fundamental rights were suspended, the basic human
right to life was denied, and the democratic space for the articulation of the
people’s aspirations and their right to protest was snatched. During Naidu’s
reign, at least 2000 people belonging to various revolutionary organizations
were eliminated, three-quarters of whom belonged to the CPI(ML)[People’s War].
Several thousand people were arrested, tortured, and implicated in false cases;
their property was destroyed. The state languished under a pall of fear. The
police assumed the role of prosecutors, judges and executors. They acted as
political leaders and de facto rulers. It is this imposition of a police state
over civil society in AP that became a focal point in the elections this time.
The call by Naidu to give a referendum on his government’s policies towards the
Naxalites was overwhelmingly rejected and, on the contrary, the people gave a
referendum against his misrule through the means immediately available to them.
It is clear from the
above that any government that assumes power cannot outrightly reject the
aspirations of the masses at least in the immediate context. The very assumption
of power by the Congress owes much to the election promises it had made, along
with its allies, to begin peace talks with the Naxalites, to treat the Naxalite
issue as a socio-poitico-economic one rather than a law and order issue, to do
away with fake encounters and to restore the democratic rights of the people,
and their assurance that all fake encounters during the nine-year-rule of the
TDP will be referred to a judicial commission and the guilty officials punished.
Though consciously underplayed by the mainstream media, this factor has no
doubt played an important role in the defeat of the TDP-BJP alliance.
Q: How serious is the
new government in implementing the cease-fire and going for Talks with the PW?
Will the police top brass allow this to happen especially when the demand for a
judicial enquiry would fix several of these officials whose hands are stained
with the blood of hundreds of people?
A: The Congress
government is clearly in a fix.
On the one hand, it
has to meet the people’s expectations and fulfill the promises it had made
during the election campaign, while on the other, it has to ensure that the
Naxalites do not grow strong by using the relaxation in the police offensive. It
is like riding on the tiger’s back: dare to climb down and the tiger will devour
you. How long this situation will prevail is difficult to predict. The
entrenched police officials, of course, are quite reluctant to change the
policies towards the Naxalites.
The stakes involved
are too high to be dispensed with easily. A congenial atmosphere would mean
restrictions on their entry into the Naxal areas; a virtual end to their age-old
practice of extortion from the people in the name of links with Naxals, from
traders, contractors and others; ceasing the operations of the private armed
gangs of former Naxalites involved in real estate deals and encroachments; a
sharp reduction in the complaints to the police filed by the rural people
involved in disputes; an end to promotions to police officers involved in
killing leaders through fake encounters and through covert agents; and so on.
The police bullies, who ruled the state of Andhra Pradesh as their fiefdom
during the nine-year-old reign of Chandrababu Naidu, were a much-pampered lot,
answerable to none other than the biggest bully heading the state—the darling of
the World Bank and the imperialists, Naidu.
Just as a Bush, with
a mind-boggling array of weapons of mass destruction at his disposal, can think
nothing else other than relying on his armoury of steel and metal to break the
mettle of all those who defy his imperialist diktat, so does the fascist
mind-set of these police bosses give room for any other solution.
Literally every
police official had minted money in the name of suppression of the "Naxal
menace" and it is hardly surprising that this section of the police brass would
vow not to see the "horrifying" scene of Naxals holding Talks with the
government and bringing about a temporary truce.
In fact, the
government had dillydallied for over a month before declaring a cease-fire. It
was only due to the mounting pressure from the various democratic organizations
and the insistence of the CPI(ML)[PW] and other Naxalite organizations that it
had ultimately come down on June 16th and announced "cessation of armed
hostilities" for three months.
Q: Can the government
perform such a seemingly impossible task? Can it succeed in satisfying both the
police officials and the Naxalites at the same time?
A: It is, of course,
not an easy task to run with the hare and hunt with the hound. To achieve this
the new government had worked out a plan: Prepare a mask that is acceptable to
the people at large, a democratic mask that very few would dare to contest and
thus create a situation where the PW leadership would be forced to come to the
negotiating table on government’s terms.
And the government
was able to win over the democratic intellectuals of the Concerned Citizens
Committee (CCC). Ever since the YSR government came to power the CCC was taken
into confidence and is pushed into the foreground to place the government’s
viewpoint with the democrat’s soothing touch. The conditions of cease-fire which
many would have opposed had the government spelt them out directly, have
acquired some legitimacy and respectability coming out from the mouths of
intellectuals who have some reputation and credibility in the society so far.
The Naxalites should be confined to the forest or only come unarmed to the
villages for carrying out their propaganda; they should not recruit cadres or
increase their fire-power; they should not strengthen themselves in whatever
manner by using the relaxation in state repression; they should not summon
government bureaucrats in front of the people and question them; they should not
even harass the police informants, not to speak of killing them, no matter how
many informers the police may create during the period of cease-fire. The
authors of these conditions may be an Aravinda Rao or a Purnachandar Rao but
they gain some respectability through the endorsement given by the democrats of
the CCC. The enthusiastic support exhibited by these intellectuals has given
great relief to the new government as it now can make its conditions seem
reasonable.
Emboldened by the
moral support by the new apologists of the government’s policy towards the Naxal
issue, the police had stepped up their campaign against the Naxalites. "7000 new
recruits in the fold of the PW", claims a police report in a Telugu daily.
"Large-scale extortions by PW cadre", claims another report. "Naxals go on arms
collection spree", runs another news item. Police continue to feed such stories
to the media in a subtle manner. The motive behind these stories is clear:
tighten the noose around the PW and bring back the Golden Era of Chandrababu.
The overall direction of the government is to disentangle itself from the
present situation in a way that does not discredit it altogether in the eyes of
the people. Hence it is building up its case towards this end.
Q: The media is full
of reports that your Party is using the present relaxation in repression to
increase recruitment, mass base, armed strength, etc. Will this not jeopardize
the Talks?
A: There is a
narrow-minded thinking in certain quarters that Talks between the Naxalites and
the government would only strengthen the former, that they will utilize any
relaxation in the repression to increase their fire-power, cadre strength, money
power; that they would be better placed at the end of the day when the Talks
break off, as they are bound to be, at some point of time—an inevitable
consequence given the conflicting class interests of the two contending parties.
Hence, they argue, the government should only give a few concessions to the
People’s War party, "sufficient" to bring it to the negotiating table, so as not
to give them any opportunity to take "undue advantage" of the situation.
This police logic
only wants the entire drama to be completed at the earliest so as to step up
their offensive through fake encounters and tortures, trampling upon human
rights and civil liberties, and keeping the vast masses in a perpetual state of
fear and insecurity through untold brutalities. The police brains can never
think of anything else than use of brute force to stifle people’s resistance and
dissent.
Thus the Congress-TRS
government is now following a policy of Double Speak. While maintaining it
is committed to carry out its election promises and its stand that Naxal issue
is a socio-economic one, it has been trying to adopt a law & order approach in
actual practice. Its argument that armed cadre of PW should not conduct their
propaganda in the villages, that they should not take up recruitment, should not
harass informers, and so on, would only mean that the PW should consciously
weaken itself, place itself at the mercy of the armed gangs maintained by the
police or, in other words, not undertake any political propaganda. It is amusing
to see the Congress rulers dance to the tune of the police officials. Would a
revolutionary party stop recruitment and desist from any attempt to strengthen
itself just to please the government and to obtain some relaxation in state
repression? How can such a police approach to the problem help build mutual
confidence and ensure peace?
Q: There is a strong
feeling in some quarters that your Party indulges in excessive violence, that
you seek violent solutions to every problem. And every government till date has
been arguing that it is "senseless" Naxal violence that had forced them to
resort to violent means of suppression….
A: Any attempt to
equate the violence of the ruling classes to perpetuate their exploitation with
that of the oppressed masses in defence of their rights means playing into the
hands of the exploiters and supporting the status quo. Anyone who aspires to
reduce the level of violence in the society must appreciate and uphold the right
of the oppressed masses to defend themselves from the relentless attacks by the
ruling classes on their right to life, right to livelihood and the right to
dignified and honourable existence in society. No amount of sermonising
on ending all violence in an abstract manner will be of any help unless the
qualitative difference between the violence of the ruling classes and the
legitimate response of the oppressed masses led by the revolutionary party is
understood. It is only by keeping the former type of violence on leash that the
level of violence as a whole can be reduced. As long as the inbuilt,
institutionalised violence in the society and the violence unleashed by the
State continue unchecked it will be met with just and legitimate revolutionary
violence of the masses. Hence it is the task of the various democratic
organizations and intellectuals to bring pressure on the government to stop all
forms of violence on the revolutionary movement and various sections of the
people who are waging struggles on their demands.
The factional
violence organized by the ruling class parties, the underlying institutionalized
violence that is inbuilt in our semi-feudal society under the stranglehold of
imperialism—the caste violence with its most abominable evil of untouchability
and inhuman caste discrimination; the most degrading treatment and humiliation
of women and the indescribable violence perpetrated on them by the patriarchal
society; the massacres, pogroms and attacks against the Muslim, Sikh and
Christian religious minorities by the fascist Hindutva gangs; the endemic ethnic
violence instigated by sections of ruling classes and the imperialists; the
violence of the big landowners, the rural bad gentry, unscrupulous contractors
and moneylenders, and the brutal State violence expressed through fake
encounters, tortures, arrests etc; and various forms of ruling class violence
should be distinguished from the just and legitimate violence of the oppressed
people and the revolutionary violence of the CPI(ML)[PW].
Q: What do you intend
to achieve from the Talks? Would these lead to any positive outcome?
A: We do not have
illusions that something drastic would emerge out of the Talks or that any of
the basic problems of the people would be resolved.
We are going for
Talks to ensure a relatively democratic atmosphere in the state even if it be
for a short while. Our aim is three-fold: one, to provide a democratic space for
the oppressed people so that they can enjoy their democratic right to agitate on
their basic issues and to build a democratic movement; two, to reduce the level
of violence in society by avoiding civilian targets that had become a norm for
the police state; and three, to focus on various people’s issues and also
attempt for a democratic resolution of some of the issues through discussions.
Q: Would this lead to
the withdrawal of armed struggle?
A: Our immediate aim
is to capture state power through armed struggle by waging a people’s war based
on Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. Our ultimate aim is to establish Communism. This aim
is non-negotiable. The Talks have nothing to do with this aim of ours. Hence the
question of withdrawal of armed struggle does not arise.
But at the same time
we are for ensuring peace as long as the ruling classes do not undertake violent
suppression of the democratic and revolutionary movement. We do not believe in
violence per se. Our violence is a legitimate response to the violence
unleashed by the ruling classes who do not permit the militant
democratic-revolutionary struggles of the oppressed people. We had declared
that we will suspend our armed activities so long as the state suspends its
armed suppression of the revolutionary movement. This includes state
violence and state-sponsored violence of the vigilante gangs. Cessation of armed
hostilities is declared by the two sides for a period of three months.
Q: How long will the
present state of cessation of armed activity continue?
A: It all depends on
the attitude of the government. If the government does not obstruct democratic
activity then why should we resort to armed actions?
If everything goes
well and the government does not create hurdles in the way of the democratic
movements waged by the people and our Party that is at the head of the people’s
movements, if it does not resort to repressive policies and sincerely sticks to
the conditions of cease-fire, we do not mind extending the period of cease-fire
in the interest of the people. But our experience shows that the ruling classes
do not tolerate the political mobilization of the masses in a militant way. We
also make it clear that people will not confine themselves to legal methods of
struggle. They will defy the unjust laws and restrictions and will take up all
forms of struggle to achieve their aims. For instance, if there is a ban on
holding a meeting or a demonstration, the people will defy it. If there is a ban
on strike, the workers will defy it. The people will confiscate the land of the
landlords, forest lands, inaam lands, banjar lands, and so on braving the police
threats. If there is use of brute force by the state the people will be forced
to fight back by using all means at their disposal. Our Party will be with the
people and lead their struggles. To sum up, we will not be the first to
violate the terms and conditions of cease-fire. But if the government violates
them we will have to fight back by intensifying the people’s war.
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